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Jun. 22nd, 2005 | 01:12 am
mood: thoughtfulthoughtful
music: smashing pumpkins
posted by: bittersweetsky in think_anakin

Hey Everyone, I'm new to this community and I'm glad I found it. Everyone here seems quite intellectual, and i was like skor, a community for analyzing, probably what I do more than anything(thinking=very good thing, me and my analyzations?=maybe not such a good thing/idea.) but OH Well, it's 1:16 and I feel like it damnit. First of all, let me gather my thoughts together, because I have a lot.

1. Has anyone noticed (which I am 110% many/a lot have) the creepy major forshadowing in just about everything Anakin says in all the prequels? Like in episode I as a cute poster child of innocence, he pipes up, "But nobody can kill a jedi." (forgive me, or something along those lines.) and then Liam Neeson aka Qui Gon Jinn's all like, "I wish that were so?" (Ironic isn't it that he himself, the poster child of innocence and hope in that very moment would end up with glowing yellow eyes slaughtering jedi left and right bringing the very downfall of the order?) Secondly, when he's talking to Padme in his seduction speech to her, and he says "The thought of not being with you, I can't breathe?" Oh funny Anakin, very funny. Because without her, you turn into something that can't..literally, breathe. Because of her you cannot breathe, the thought of not being with her, turns you into a monster. Into something that can actually not breathe.

2.Is anyone seriously ANNOYED with how they can't quite get Anakin's age? Like honestly, if you're going to make an epic, get his effing age down. Was he 9 or 10 when it started? 19 or 20 in episode II? Honestly people. Pick a number, it ain't that hard.

3. Does anyone else think GLucas didn't have a clear view of how these prequels main storyline would be until he started making them? like when Leia is reminiscing about her mother, how would she have memories of her and Luke wouldn't? Padme spoke directly to Luke more, I know it's the whole mother daughter connection, but I don't know. Don't get me wrong I loveeed III soo much, and the prequels are like my secret obession/childhood, but couldn't that have been clarfied a lot more? With a different storyline? And woudln't Anakin so strong with the Force Mr.Chosen one feel te twins in "the force" because...well, he's their daddy and their mother the one thing he held onto so tightly, the purpose of his self destruction? I know it's all like "the dark side clouds everything." I just get frustrated I suppose, I shouldn't think so much. But c'mon Luke Skywalker? Let's place him with his Aunt and Uncle on the homeplanet Anakin grew up on, in a house he has stayed at? Keeping his orginal last name? It would take like 15 minutes of research tops to figure out where he was.

I have a lot of thoughts. I'll probably post more later. Comments are apperciated! (sorry if this sounded like a Rant, it wasn't intended, I really do love it all!)

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Annika

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from: just_frak_it
date: Jun. 22nd, 2005 11:33 am (UTC)
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Well, you have to consider that Anakin detested Tatooine; that was explained in one of the novelizations of the original trilogy. With his mother deadm, Anakin had to ties to Tatooine. I hardly think he is going to drop by to see the stepfamily.

As to Anakin not feeling the twins through the Force, I have no explaination for that one. But while Leia and Mara was pregnant with their children, the both of them as well as Luke were able to sense the unborn children through the Force. There is a detailed interaction between Leia and the twins during their birth in the Last Command by Zahn. This is soo cheesy, but Mara's son was supposed to have been the catalyst which brought about her amazing recovery in the EU.

I honestly believe Leia was thinking about her adopted mother.

Though it would be nice for a connection to their mother to be explored in novel form.


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from: caledon_reganum
date: Jun. 22nd, 2005 11:15 pm (UTC)
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Anakin was made to believe that the child died with Padme (part of why she was presented as still pregnant in her funeral); until RotJ he didn't realize that Leia's also his kid (couldn't feel her in the Force).

And like ^ said, Anakin hated Tatooine and had no ties there, so there really was no reason for him to go back. Plus, there's also the possibility that "Skywalker" is a common last name in Tatooine, plus it's outside the Empire, so there really wasn't a good reason for him to go there.

Yes, George didn't have a clear view of what's to actually happen in the prequels. Reading the "Making Of" books will give you a clear idea of how hard it is to come up with ideas and then to ultimately discard them (a 10-y.o. Han Solo originally was going to be in RotS with the Wookiees), stuff like that. I think he also procastinated for a long time before finally sitting down to write the screenplay.

Leia reminiscing about her mother: depends on how she interpreted Luke's "real mother" emphasis. To her, she might've thought "real" mother meant the one who raised her, rather than her biological one. But then, all she answered was that she remembered "images...feelings" which could tie in with the ability to see the past through the Force.

There's actually another mention of Anakin not being able to breathe in AotC when he and Obi-Wan are on their way to see Padme in the elevator and Obi-Wan tells him "Relax. Take a deep breath. Your sweating" or something to that effect. Even if he's still anticipating seeing her, he's breathless.

Who are you asking about #2? People who can't stand Anakin or the moviemaker?

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ladylavinia

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from: ladylavinia
date: Jul. 1st, 2005 04:07 pm (UTC)
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"Yes, George didn't have a clear view of what's to actually happen in the prequels. Reading the "Making Of" books will give you a clear idea of how hard it is to come up with ideas and then to ultimately discard them (a 10-y.o. Han Solo originally was going to be in RotS with the Wookiees), stuff like that. I think he also procastinated for a long time before finally sitting down to write the screenplay."

What makes you assume that? Do you honestly think that when someone sits down to write a story, he or she clearly knows what they are going to write? Being a writer myself, I can honestly tell you that it doesn't happen that way. Sure, Lucas may have had a general outline of what he was going to write in the Prequel Trilogy. But it is very possible that while writing the movies, he made changes along the way. Trust me, it always happens when writing a story. And what makes you assume that he only had this problem with the Prequel Trilogy? From what I have read about the creation of the Original Trilogy, he went through a good number of changes regarding that story, as well.

And why criticize him for procratinating, while writing the story? Are you saying that he shouldn't have procrastinating? If so, why?

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the diary of a private school girl

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from: bittersweetsky
date: Jul. 6th, 2005 12:00 am (UTC)
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hey hey hey! sorry, no, i think this story is GENIUS of course. I didn't really mean for that to come off as negitavly as I did, I was kind of just questioning/thinking out loud. I myself am a writer as well, I have a basic outline for a story but nope of course I don't know every detail something great will just come to me and grab me and be like WHOA yeah thats how it happens. I didn't mean to sound to critical in my little essay up thurr. So sorry to offend you! Do you write fanfiction? I'd love to read some if you do!

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ladylavinia

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from: ladylavinia
date: Jul. 1st, 2005 04:11 pm (UTC)
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"Anakin so strong with the Force Mr.Chosen one feel te twins in "the force" because...well, he's their daddy and their mother the one thing he held onto so tightly, the purpose of his self destruction? I know it's all like "the dark side clouds everything." I just get frustrated I suppose, I shouldn't think so much. But c'mon Luke Skywalker? Let's place him with his Aunt and Uncle on the homeplanet Anakin grew up on, in a house he has stayed at? Keeping his orginal last name? It would take like 15 minutes of research tops to figure out where he was."


Why on earth would Anakin bother to look for Luke, when he had assumed (as was established around the end of ROTS) that Padme died BEFORE she gave birth? And why on earth would he even be around Tatooine, before the events of "A New Hope"?

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Leia Amidala Skywalker

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from: vadersangel
date: Jul. 2nd, 2005 01:51 am (UTC)
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#1 - absolutely - sw dialogue is ridiculous but the *story* is very deliberate

#2 - um, doesn't annoy me ;) i think he's 9-19 but that's just me

#3 - i think he had the idea but not the details. the Leia remembering is the one "oops" i'd like fixed (i have some ideas on how but i won't bore you). as for feeling the kids he thinks his child died. actually i have theories about this too but i have to get my thoughts straight before i post them !! to be continued :p

(i shouldn't reply when i don't have time to finish!!)

*smiles*

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ladylavinia

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from: ladylavinia
date: Oct. 14th, 2005 05:33 pm (UTC)
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I have to honestly say that all of your complaints about the Prequels DO NOT bother me. In fact, both trilogies are probably flawed, but well written. Although I do believe that the Prequel Trilogy is slightly better written and more emotionally complex than the Original Trilogy.

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